Chris

Thanks for your pithy reply. You must be feeling as exasperated as I do
that the same point keeps having to be made albeit to different people.

Warm regards
Gary

At 12:48 PM 6/29/97 +1000, Chris Chaundy wrote:
>At 11:38 29/6/97, David Keegel wrote:
>>...
>>
>>I would tend to agree with Simon -- let's just start with com.au.
>>
>>But I would also suggest that in fairness to the DNA of com.au, we
>>look a little beyond the short term and start to pencil in some sort
>>of "in principle" suggestion that, once com.au has been `fixed' and
>>it has been demonstrated that the solution is working (initially),
>>we then also turn to net.au and decide whether that is a commercial
>>domain (which I think it is mostly now) and if so negotiate with
>>stakeholders (especially the owner and the operator of net.au) to
>>seek to implement the solution (or a variant of it) in net.au also.
>>
>>Regarding new commercial domains, I would suggest that we put on
>>hold suggestions such as biz.au (for example) until/unless it is
>>determined that the objectives of biz.au cannot be met by reform
>>within com.au (eg: having multiple competitive DNAs within com.au).
>>
>>I haven't looked in detail at other suggestions for new domains
>>within au, but I'd propose that consideration of the suggestions
>>should also wait until we see what can be done in com.au.  It may
>>be that if com.au is `fixed', then these domains are not needed.
>>
>>As people have been pointing out "rough consensus and running code"
>>is a cornerstone for change in many Internet processes such IETF.
>>I think it would be quite reasonable for the owner of net.au to want
>>to see both before agreeing to actual (as opposed to "in principle")
>>changes in net.au.
>>
>>In this case "running code" translates to seeing processes that work.
>>
>>And I think we will find if ADNA sets out a timetable something like
>>        phase 1:  fix com.au problem
>>        phase 2:  generalise to other commercial au domains.
>>        phase 3:  new *.au domains, overall au, legal stuff, etc
>>        phase 4:  all things to all australians (ie: ADNA's Objects)
>>then we will see a "rough consensus" emerge from that.
>>
>>I'm looking at phase 1 and 2 being fairly short term, perhaps (at a
>>wild guess) three months and six months from now respectively.
>
>Sigh...  When will it sink in?  It seems as though every time we get
agreement
>that ADNA should initially concentrate on com.au (which *everyone* agrees
>needs work), and demonstrate that it can do the job, someone pipes up and
>says "and let's put all the other Australian domains into the timetable.
This
>is the source of disagreement!  ADNA cannot simply 'take' these domains - it
>must be done with the cooperation and involvement of the current
administrators.
>
>Set modest goals, achieve them and the rest will follow.
>
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