I'm not making any value judgements, just pointing out that the .com space
and the .com.au spaces are, and should be, very different regulatory
environments...

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Ipsen [mailto:ron§comu.net.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2001 12:42 PM
To: dns§auda.org.au; 'dns§auda.org.au'
Subject: RE: [DNS] FW: [DNS] Brisbane.com is blackwoods.com.au in the
same boat ?


Not sure I can agree on that one,

Brisbane.com is not the relevant name for the brisbane city council.

brisbane.qld.gov.au

or brisbane.org.au would be more appropriate


If brisbane city council can show registration in bad faith then there 
would be a bit of a case.

There would still be no clear case that brisbane city council should be the 
grantee though.

Ron.


At 09:15 AM 7/02/01 +1100, Jon Lawrence wrote:
>Note that we started talking about brisbane.com, not brisbane.com.au
>
>Your (quite valid) points below are really only relevant to the .au
space...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Baljevic, Dusan [mailto:Dusan.Baljevic§mnl.maynick.com.au]
>Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2001 9:00 AM
>To: dns§auda.org.au
>Subject: RE: [DNS] FW: [DNS] Brisbane.com is blackwoods.com.au in the
>same boat ?
>
>
>Hello,
>
>May I join your discussion for the first time. So far, I have
>been a quiet reader.
>
>As a person who administered and registered about 800-900
>domain names world-wide, I think I have some knowledge to
>comment :)
>
>It is very intriguing that, like in all history books,
>every side finds a suitable date and measures time from it.
>
>What stops a person with a family name Brisbane (who can
>prove that 200-300 years ago his family name was exclusive
>to him) and ask for loyalties from Brisbane City Council?
>Or a person called McDonnalds to pull out some history
>books and prove that 1,000 years ago his family was a sole
>owner of the name? Or what about Sydney (or should I
>say Lord Sydney)? Maybe one day his ancestors come to us
>and ask us to pay for using his name. What a nonsense,
>isn't it?
>
>Rules should be simple (and the new proposal is
>correcting it):
>
>1. Who rightfully manages to register a business or
>company name, has the privilege to register the
>same domain name as well.
>
>2. If Brisbane City Council is a registered commercial
>organization, then they have right, like anyone else, to
>ask for brisbane.com.au.
>
>3. Typically, Brisbane City is NOT a commercial entity
>so, if government accepts a registration of a business
>called Brisbane Ltd (or whatever) from another company,
>then they must be aware that domain names must follow
>the same logic.
>
>4. The importance of Internet has become
>crucial for business, nobody is silly to register
>a business name without planning to take the same
>domain name.
>
>5. So, if a registration of a company or business name
>is approved, there should be no obstacles in
>registering domain name of the same kind.
>
>I remember the case, several years back, when there
>was a little business name here in NSW called Baud.
>On their behalf, I tried to register baud.com.au
>and was declined because the name was too "generic".
>In the end, the company choose a very silly domain name,
>and because nobody could remember it, they went out of
>business (nobody visited their WWW pages, and so
>on). Who benefited? You can guess it :)
>
>I am looking forward to seeing the new proposals approved
>and in action as soon as possible and congratulate
>auda for taking steps to make changes.
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Dusan U. Baljevic, BSEE(First Class Honours)
>Corporate IT, Manager
>Mayne Ltd.
>http://www.matra.com.au/~dusan
>Phone:     +61 2 9005 7847
>            0412 041 715
>Facsimile: +61 2 9005 7846
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: James Liakos [mailto:James.Liakos§blackwoods.com.au]
>Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 6:07 AM
>To: 'dns§auda.org.au'
>Subject: [DNS] FW: [DNS] Brisbane.com is blackwoods.com.au in the same boat
>?
>
>So does that mean that our domain blackwoods.com.au might go to a town
>called Blackwoods even though we have had this domain for over a few years
>now ?
>
>James Liakos
>Network Administrator
>J. Blackwood & Son Limited
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jon Lawrence [mailto:jon§inww.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2001 6:56 AM
>To: 'dns§auda.org.au'
>Subject: RE: [DNS] Brisbane.com
>
>WIPO awarded Barcelona.com to the Barcelona City Council in August...
>
>http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,17627,00.html
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: stacy green [mailto:stacymoxham§yahoo.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2001 12:56 AM
>To: dns§auda.org.au
>Subject: [DNS] Brisbane.com
>
>How do The Brisbane City Council think they are going
>to get Brisbane.com? even WIPO could not be that
>pethetic.
>
>AuDomains.com has had this name listed for sale for
>ages. I read their comments on their web page and they
>don't seem to be too nice towards Cr Quinn.
>
>
>
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