|> -----Original Message-----
|> From: Patrick Corliss [mailto:patrick§quad.net.au] 
|> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 7:02 PM
|> To: Dassa
|> Cc: [dns]
|> Subject: Re: [DNS] Peter has left the building
|> 
|> 
|> Hi Dassa

Hi Patrick

I see you are still up to your old tricks of sending a personal copy and
posting to the mailing list.  As you know, I dislike getting personal
copies.  Desist such posting styles with respect to me.

|> On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 19:25:08 +1100, Dassa wrote:
|> > |> Looks like a comment to me.  I'd say Peter keeps his money.
|> >
|> > Where is the comment?
|> 
|> Strictly, saying "I have been asked . . " is a comment.  If 
|> I was asked to publish something *without comment* I would say
nothing at 
|> all.  Absolutely nothing.  Nada.  Zip.

The post was made without any comment at all.  The sentence you are
referring to is not a comment but informational and was in a follow up
post.
 
|> > But I'll make a comment.  Unsubscribing in such a way was  very
petulant
|> > IMHO.  Makes me wonder just how professional Peter is in  his
approach to
|> > his dutes as a Director.
|> 
|> Peter does not know you, Dassa.  I do.  And you and I have had very
many such
|> arguments on other mailing lists such as IDNO et al.  Your above
comments are
|> deliberately offensive and baiting of the worst sort.  Peter Dean is
a
|> respected business person with a lifetime's achievement who deserves
more
|> respect than you chose to provide.  Peter is also very kind,
intelligent and
|> well-meaning person.

No, he does not know me and although you think you do, you do not
either.  We have not had "many such arguments" on other mailing lists.
We have had arguments but they were not similar at all.  We have not
discussed the topic of mailing list host responsibilities.  

Interesting that you consider my comments as offensive and baiting but
you do not make comment on Peter calling me a trouble maker and being
mischievious.  You will note, I did not call Peter any names or infer
any offensive labels to his person.  Yet, both you and he have towards
me.  Who is being offensive and indulging in baiting?

Respect is earned.  Peter has not earned mine as he has been offensive
and unprofessional towards me.  That has been the extent of my personal
experience of him.  He has not shown any kindness, intelligence or
well-meaning in posts he has responded to me in.  I hope I witness
better from him in future.

|> I think you should know that.

Thank you for the information.  I will look forward to seeing some
indicators of these traits in future.

|> Anybody can get upset with the constant trash on this list.  
|> Anybody can respond inappropriately from time to time particularly 
|> people, like Peter, who are not battle hardened flame warriors.  Your
own comments, 
|> like mine, are deliberate and carefully considered.

As mentioned, it is a facet of professionalism to be delibeerate and
consider carefully all actions and posts.  I agree it is easy to get
upset over some posts.  The professional will recognise and deal with
such matters.

|> The list is for DNS discussions.  These are diversionary tactics.

From?  I am not attempting to disrupt the list.  I made comments on what
I consider an appropriate topic concerning the mailing list and was then
attacked.

|> In fact, I am absolutely certain that I could dig through my own
archives of
|> your postings to other mailing lists and find examples where you have
|> criticised others for baiting and flaming.  So please spare the
wounded
|> sensibilities.

Baiting is not a word I use unless quoting or responding to others.  I
do know it is often one you use yourself.  I do not always agree with
your use.  For instance, in this instance you accuse me of baiting but
it is obvious the other party was indulging in this practice.  As for
"wounded sesibilities", I have not made any comment that could be
construed in that respect.

|> > Although fair enough to not wish putting up 
|>> with obnoxious posts, it is a simple matter to filter and
unsubscribing
|> > is only ever a last resort when things are so bad as to be
unsalvagable.
|> > This list is a long way from that.
|> 
|> Personally I filter very few people.  At present only Jeff Williams,
Eric
|> Dierker and somebody on this DNS list whose name I can't even be
bothered to
|> remember.  Peter Dean (and I) are on the Board of auDA.  We
participate on
|> this list in order to respond to inquiries about the DNS.  Not to be
insulted
|> or flamed.

I don't filter anyone myself but I don't read the posts by some people
if it is not posted in an appropriate manner.  I don't have a problem
with anyone not wishing to be insulted or flamed.  But by the same token
I do have a problem with someone initiating a flame and then ducking
out.  No one likes to be insulted.  I don't myself, but you seem to
expect me to put up with it while allowing you and others to not do so.
I expect the same as I give.

|> I'd also add that, as a business person active in the Australian DNS,
it is in
|> your own business interests to build good relationships with other
business
|> persons.  Peter Dean has a lot to offer and I'd like to see him
continue to
|> participate in these discussions.

My own business interests do not relie on the Australian DNS.  Whilst I
am always happy to build new relationships with other business people,
either in the DNS industry or otherwise, my participation here and with
AuDA is not strictly business related.  It is more a personal interest
in seeing the industry develop.

I am happy for Peter or anyone else to participate in the discussions.
One of the reasons I posted my comments on his unsubscribing.  Such
actions have a negative impact and are not constructive.

|> > Darryl (Dassa) Lynch.
|> 
|> BTW I note that the IDNO list has got very quiet now.  Was I right in
my
|> analysis that the list would die as soon as Joop went elsewhere?

Not at all, as you have been following the list you are also well aware
of the reasons for the slow activity at present.  The IDNO will continue
to grow and become far more effective now JoopT was forced to leave.

You have been quiet on the DNSO lately.  I also haven't seen you
involved in the Atlarge.  Are you aware JoopT has been very active
there? 

On this note, are there any plans to discuss Vints ideas for ICANN on
this list?  What may be the AuDA response to his ideas for restructing
ICANN?

Darryl (Dassa) Lynch.