Hi Dassa

I just don't see why auDA directors and staff should have to spend time
and effort administering a mailing list that includes people that are unwilling
to be financial members of the organisation.  Presumably people could be
admitted to the mailing list as soon as their membership applications were
received to avoid any undue delay.

I feel very strongly that the success of auDA is dependent on it having
a broad membership base.  I probably don't even really need to mention the
glaring example that is ICANN of what can happen to an organisation without
an effective or broad membership base...I think this is one of many ways
in which to create real incentives to people to join to increase that membership
base.

There are currently 152 members listed at auda.org.au.  This list has 311
subscribers.  

regards
jon

>-- Original Message --
>Reply-To: dns§lists.auda.org.au
>From: "Dassa" <dassa&#167;dhs.org>
>To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
>Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:43:54 +1100
>Subject: RE: [DNS] DNS List
>
>
>|> -----Original Message-----
>|> From: Jon Lawrence [mailto:jon&#167;jonlawrence.com] 
>|> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 10:47 PM
>|> To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
>|> Subject: RE: [DNS] DNS List
>|> 
>|> 
>|> Dassa
>|> 
>|> Agree, however I think it appropriate that any auDAv
>provided/(moderated?)
>|> discussion list should be open to auDA members only.  As I stated
>initially
>|> I see no reason why members of the public shouldnt be able to read
>postings
>|> on a website without actually being able to post themselves(I'm
>thinking
>|> along the lines of the ICANN Registrars Constituency here).This
>creates
>|> an additional incentive for people interested in DNS issues in .au to
>join
>|> the organisation.  That is a goal that is of potential benefit to
>all.
>
>The problem with this is the time lag between applying for AuDA
>membership and the acceptance of the membership application.  It also
>only allows for one way viewing and no interaction between those who may
>apply for membership and the actual membership.  This list already
>exists and it would be a simple matter to create another one strictly
>for members only leaving this one as a more publically available list.
>
>|> An additional benefit of having a members-only list is that it would
>eliminate
>|> the practice of using pseudonyms to throw mud as the identity of each
>member
>|> would have already been independently verified.  Removing people that
>participate
>|> in these antics from the list is hardly beneficial as they can simply
>resubscribe
>|> using a different anonymous email address (does anyone doubt that
>those
>|> thrown off the list recently have not reappeared using different
>address?)
>|>  Presumably this would also assist in alleviated the legal concerns
>that
>|> Chris has expressed as postings could at least be easily tracked to
>an individual.
>
>My own feeling on anonymous posters is to look at the content of the
>post and decide from there.  The fact it is an anonymous post means I
>may not attach as much validity to any claims made in the post unless
>the claims can be substantiated.  The noise I just ignore.
>
>|> Much noise is generated on this list by people who feel passionately
>about
>|> these issues but are strangely absent when meetings are held or other
>constuctive
>|> input is requested/needed.  Giving an incentive to join up and
>participate
>|> rather than simply sniping from the grassy knoll is in my opinion a
>positive
>|> and practical solution to the (by no means unique) issues currently
>evident
>|> with this list.
>
>There will always be those who prefer to be on the sidelines.  Even
>though the AuDA membership fee is not too high, a lot of individuals
>will not participate except through a free list as they either don't
>have any direct involvement with the industry or don't feel strongly
>enough about the issues.  I know I am not directly involved with the .au
>name space and my own interests are more general DNS, the main reason I
>have started participating in .au is the fact I live here and have a
>natural interest in my country.
>
>|> Those that choose not to join auDA for whatever reason can have their
>own,
>|> independent and unregulated discussion list/site wherever  they so
>choose
>|> - the 'coming soon' site at audawatch.org strikes me as an ideal
>site. 
>|> Michael Froomkin's icannwatch.org is certainly an excellent example
>to follow...
>
>There are other discussion lists such as isp-australia etc, there are a
>lot of DNS related mailing lists.  I feel maintaining a public list is
>in the best interests of AuDA as it may encourage others to join or at
>least generate more interest in the local name space.  By all means have
>a members only list with publically available archives etc but I would
>also suggest the best interests of the .au name space is to also
>maintain this list, open to everyone.
>
>Darryl (Dassa) Lynch.
>
>
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