Jon, Do you have any idea why the .au namespace hasn't been introduced at all as a 2nd level ? Ginger -----Original Message----- From: Jon Lawrence [mailto:jon§jonlawrence.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:47 PM To: dns§lists.auda.org.au Subject: RE: [DNS] RE: auDA to consider new names for .au so who gets magpies.footy.au? Wests (NRL)? Collingwood (AFL)? Port Adelaide (SANFL)? etc etc? I tend to agree with you that creating new 2LDs adds very little value to the .au domain space. Lets give id.au a go and see how it fares...much the same as the recently released me.uk I suspect (ie noone wants them). Also to the previous post suggesting that com.au is getting overcrowded...with <250,000 names?? come on...the .com space has over 20 million and people are still registering madly... The only potential change that I think could add value would be opening up .au to registrations in the 2nd level - ie companyname.au, as our American friends are about to do in 75 minutes time. I doubt companies that have invested heavily in branding based on .com.au domains would agree, however... rgds jon >-- Original Message -- >Reply-To: dns§lists.auda.org.au >From: "Ginger Fish" <ginger-fish§scifi-art.com> >To: <dns§lists.auda.org.au> >Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:33:08 +1000 >Subject: RE: [DNS] RE: auDA to consider new names for .au > > >.. and as a joke but also true, i believe than in australia, .footy.au would >work damn good compare to anything.au ( except .com.au ) .... don't you guys >see a problem here ? > >Ginger > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish§scifi-art.com] >Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:26 PM >To: dns§lists.auda.org.au >Subject: RE: [DNS] RE: auDA to consider new names for .au > > >Thanx Kevin, the state based 2TLD is indeed a very good start in the right >direction. > >4 years ago when i was in France, the domain name administration decided >to >introduce the .tm.fr domain. It was supposed to mean "trademark" for example >if someone had already legally registered croissants.fr , another company >with a trademarked name could registere croissants.tm.fr ... the result was >a total mess. they also tried their version of the .name.xxx that was >.nom.fr ... the result was also a big failure.. When you need a domain name, >you need a real domain name, it's not worth spending money in a domain name >nobody will remember or that will sound or read ridiculous, in that case >you'd better keep your geocities URL and bigpond email address, it makes >things simple and you don't feel like you're being ripped off .. >Don't get me wrong, i understand the need to expand with other extensions >.... but I have always thought that doing the right thing is giving people >what they want, not giving what a bunch of lawyers or IT executive that >believe they know everything about the universe "think" is right ... Why >not >grabbing a few people in the street and put them in the comitee that is >going to discuss that, take a few students, a few small business managers >and ask them what they think would be cool , that would have the effect of >giving people what they really want and grow the domain name industry quite >a bit ( and also give back a few colours to the AU Administration ) ... it's >already hard enough to explain anybody the difference between .com and >.com.au, go try explaining why they SHOULD get a >www.croissants.coop.sex.museum.skippy.meatpie.au domain name .... > > >Ginger > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Fleming [mailto:kevin§w617.com] >Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:51 PM >To: dns§lists.auda.org.au >Subject: RE: [DNS] RE: auDA to consider new names for .au > > > >whilst the .com.au domain space seems to be coming congested - there are >few >legitimate openings for other 2TLDs. I'd hate to see the .au domain space >fall into the same disrepute as the ICANN lead charge of .biz. My company >spent thousands of dollars on lawyer fees for what? we don't even use the >.biz - I'm not even sure it was fully finalised anyway. I've yet to see a >company use a .biz address in their marketing (anyone?). > >I agree with Ginger (not about the masterbating) that people have come to >accept .com.au and .com and maybe .net - if we add to the confusion with >another dozen 2TLDs to the domain space then the Internet will all become >too confusing. For legitimate businesses with an appropriate ACN etc there >is little problem locating an appropriate domain under the existing rules. >Sure - it's not as easy as it was 3 years ago - but that's business. > >My suggestion would be to add state based 2TLDs such as .qld.au and .nsw.au >etc. A significant number of businesses that use the Internet only operate >in their local area. They don't compete in the geographic market across this >country - why should they hog a domain name from someone they don't compete >against? > >Kevin > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish§scifi-art.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2002 7:47 PM >> To: dns§lists.auda.org.au >> Subject: RE: [DNS] RE: auDA to consider new names for .au >> >> >> The thing is, you'll soon discover that while we're masturbating >> our brains >> trying to find new extensions, people will only want to register .com and >> .com.au domain names... sure people register .biz domain names but hardly >> use them, i still haven't seen a .bz being used as a business site ( if >> anyone can point me to one i'd be grateful ) .. so do you guys >> really think >> a .law.au or .whatever.au is going to make a difference ? it will >> only make >> the name longer and it will take more time to write it or >> memorize it , now >> a .law is different, it's a GTLD that could have a purpose ( not >> like stupid >> .aero or .name ) let's face it, there is very little hope for success with >> other 2TLDs ( .sex.au or .gay.au excepted maybe and i am not kidding, we >> know THAT can be a success because there's a demand for it) .... .name.au >> doesn't sound very sexy and attractive . it would be more >> interesting to get >> something like jon.lawrence.au but ( first in first served ) but >> then again >> that is a stupid idea because the auDA guys will get an internal >> combustion >> trying to manage such a headache .... >> >> Anyway, sorry, just my 2c .....correct me if i'm wrong and if >> you think i >> have stupid ideas ! >> >> Ginger >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aussiewide.com (administration) [mailto:rebecca§aussiewide.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 7:30 PM >> To: dns§lists.auda.org.au >> Subject: Re: [DNS] RE: auDA to consider new names for .au >> >> >> I dont care provided I can get .bitch >> >> Rebecca >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jon Lawrence" <jon§jonlawrence.com> >> To: <dns§lists.auda.org.au>; <dns§auda.org.au> >> Cc: "'Grant Bayley'" <gbayley§ausmac.net> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:24 PM >> Subject: RE: [DNS] RE: auDA to consider new names for .au >> >> >> Actually I think .biz reeks of ICANN's spinelessness. If they'd been >> willing >> to give the internet community what it wanted it would have taken on Image >> Online Design and approved .web >> >> >> >-- Original Message -- >> >Reply-To: dns§lists.auda.org.au >> >From: "Rowe, Joshua" <Joshua.Rowe§auspost.com.au> >> >To: "'Dns List (dns§auda.org.au)'" <dns§auda.org.au> >> >Cc: 'Grant Bayley' <gbayley§ausmac.net> >> >Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:03:47 +1000 >> >Subject: [DNS] RE: auDA to consider new names for .au >> > >> > >> >Forwarded with Grant's permission. >> > >> > >> >Josh >> >-- >> >* any views are my own >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Grant Bayley [mailto:gbayley§ausmac.net] >> >Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2002 5:35 PM >> >To: Rowe, Joshua >> >Cc: Link List (link§www.anu.edu.au) >> >Subject: Re: [LINK] auDA to consider new names for .au >> > >> > >> >On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Rowe, Joshua wrote: >> > >> >> auDA to consider new names for .au >> >> http://www.auda.org.au/about/news/2002042402.html >> > >> >[snip] >> > >> >> auDA is considering whether there is sufficient public support for the >> > >> >> creation of some new 2LDs. For example, should auDA follow the example >> > >> >> of ICANN and create a new "biz.au" or "name.au"? Another option might >> >> >> be to create new 2LDs for specific sectors of the community, like >> >> "law.au" for lawyers. >> > >> >I'll bite on this particular point. >> > >> >Anyone else think that ".biz" reeks of "1999 dot com excesses"? >> > >> >For this reason alone I'd assert that it's worth ignoring. >> > >> >> auDA is particularly interested in receiving proposals for the >> >> existing info.au 2LD, which is currently inactive. >> >> >> >> "Now that the .info gTLD has commenced operation, we think there is >> >> real potential for info.au to become a very popular domain among >> >> Australian Internet users," said auDA CEO, Chris Disspain. >> > >> >This is mostly personal opinion, but the existing "new" TLDs have gotten >> >a >> >bad name for themselves, and mostly because of the process that was >> followed >> >to bring them into operation. Firstly, the fact that preference >> was given >> >to those wanted to "reserve" / stake a claim to an existing name meant >> that >> >it was abused heavily by anyone that could convincingly lie about the >> >trademarks/service marks etc that they held. Secondly, the fact that >> >spammers picked up the baton and ran with it for .biz/.info/.name meant >> that >> >by the time the domains eventually became available, there was such >> >confusion and latent anger about having received 500 unsolicited email >> >offers to "reserve" domains in the new TLDs, nobody cared about them. >> > >> >More personal opinion. Who really wants a domain ending in .name? >> >"john.smith.name" That's got about as much appeal as a warm, mouldy rag. >> >Ditto on ".per" as a 2LD/TLD. At the very least, an opening up of .id.au >> >without the 3LD requirement for an Australian animal ought to cater for >> the >> >demand for personal domain names. >> > >> >As Chris has hinted at above, the only TLD/2LD's that strike me as having >> >any appeal are those that can be immediately used by organisations that >> are >> >part of a body of professionals or perhaps a club (.law, .club (?)), >> >organisations that perform some historical, information aggregation or >> >archiving function (.museum, .archive (?)), or provide a clear >> and obvious >> >source of information on a particular topic (.info). >> > >> >Grant >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> > >> >Australia Post is committed to providing our customers with excellent >> service. >> > If we can assist you in any way please either telephone 13 13 >> 18 or visit >> >our website www.auspost.com.au. >> > >> >CAUTION >> > >> >This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and >> confidential >> >information intended for the use of the addressee. 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