auDA has investigated or is investigating all matters tat have been brought to its attention regarding the generic release. This includes complaints against registrants and registrars. All matters are dealt with between the individual registrant or registrar and auDA. If auDA considers it appropriate to make a public statement about any of these matters it will do so. Regards, Chris Disspain CEO - auDA ceo§auda.org.au www.auda.org.au -----Original Message----- From: ian.johnston§setel.com.au [mailto:ian.johnston§setel.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:08 To: DNS Cc: Kim Davies; george§psylon-media.com; Chris Disspain, CEO auDA Subject: [DNS] FW: [DNS] Generic Rigged? Chris I'm responding to your posting to the DNS List (below), directed to George Iliades and myself. Comments to the DNS List were that rules were not complied by some registrars - i.e. rules were bent/broken. Kim Davies and others expressed concern about this. For example, Bottle Domains (by their own admission breached rules and) registered domain names which other registrars were likely to have registered, but for rule breaches. But for these breaches, a likely outcome is that one or more domain names would have been registered to a different licensee(s) - consumers. Given the public admission by a registrar, and claim by that registrar that other registrars also breached rules, it appears that I have been mistaken in my belief that this would have been a sufficient basis for auDA to investigate and/or report publicly on the outcome of the investigation. It appears to me that there has not been consistent and ethical treatment of competitors - of prospective licencees in particular - during the first-come, first-served competitive process. It also appears that auDA is not conducting any investigation. That auDA has received no claim about equal access, doesn't seem to me to be a sufficient basis for no investigation by auDA. Perhaps you can address and alleviate my concerns. Underlying my concerns is auDA transparency and accountability, and integrity of self-regulation. Ian -- Ian Johnston, Policy Consultant Small Enterprise Telecommunications Centre (SETEL) SETEL is a national small business consumer association advancing the interest of Australian small business as telecommunications and e-commerce consumers -----Original Message----- From: Chris Disspain [mailto:ceo§auda.org.au] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 9:22 AM To: dns§lists.auda.org.au Subject: RE: [DNS] Generic Rigged? I am unclear as to what both George and Ian are referring to. auDA is investigating certain generic applications to ensure that there has been no breach of warranty. We will not be reporting the results of those investigations in any detail to the DNS list. I can say, however, that a small number of licences have been revoked. If however the below posts refer to some claim that registrars did not have equal access to the registry then, since we have received no such claim, there is no investigation going on. Regards, Chris Disspain CEO - auDA ceo§auda.org.au www.auda.org.au -----Original Message----- From: ian.johnston§setel.com.au [mailto:ian.johnston§setel.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 22:03 To: dns§lists.auda.org.au Cc: george§psylon-media.com Subject: RE: [DNS] Generic Rigged? > Well I've got to say that I am disappointed. I would have > though auDa would have made a concerted effort to get > to the bottom of this. George, I think this is a complex investigation, which may take some time to work through. > This issue is at the core of the fairness and openness of the > registration system. All interested and eligible parties should > have had an equal chance at getting the generic domain names. I also think that most people would agree with you, particularly the consumers of - and competitors for - those generic domain name licences. Consistent and ethical treatment of competitors during a competitive process is fundamental to effective self-regulation. This must also be seen to be the case, if auDA's integrity is not to be questioned. -- Ian Johnston, Policy Consultant Small Enterprise Telecommunications Centre (SETEL) SETEL is a national small business consumer association advancing the interest of Australian small business as telecommunications and e-commerce consumers > -----Original Message----- > From: George Iliades [mailto:george§psylon-media.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:15 AM > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > Subject: Re: [DNS] Generic Rigged? > > Well I've got to say that I am disappointed. I would have though auDa > would have made a concerted effort to get to the bottom of this. This > issue is at the core of the fairness and openness of the registration system. All > interested and eligible parties should have had an equal chance at getting > the generic domain names. > > How do we know if the system was not rigged? > If some registrars were rejected what is to say this was not done of > purpose? > > When a company sends thousands of renewal notices there is immediate > investigations and it is backed be legal action, but when the fairness > of the registry system is in question all we get is stony silence. Hmmm > > George > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Iliades" <george§psylon-media.com> > To: <dns§lists.auda.org.au> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: [DNS] Generic frenzy! > > > > > > Where is the investigation at? > > > > > > > > Kim Davies [kim§cynosure.com.au] wrote: > > > Quoting Bottle Domains on Friday October 04, 2002: > > > | > > > | In the early parts of Thursday morning we were having trouble > > > | with our automated batching of generic requests. Some > > > | undefined timeout from our connection. Despite multiple > > > | attempts to correct this before 11am, we were unable to do so. > > > | As a result, to protect our generic applications, we were forced to > > > | take alternative action. This meant that around 57 domains were > > > | registered to our parent company Australian Style Pty Ltd, > > > | on behalf of our eligible registrants. Bottle Domains has been > > > | in discussion with auDA and Ausregistry with regards to > > > | modifying the registrant details to that of our eligible customer, > > > | and this will be processed as soon as possible. > > > > > > The fundamental question is, did you have permission to bend/break > > > the rules prior to doing this? > > > > > > I don't believe rules are there just so you can break them when it > > > is convenient. > > > > bottle is not the only one to break the rules we had a similar problem > > and registered some domains in our own contact ids. we had optimised > > our system to register 400 odd domains queued in under > > 10 seconds on the test system. > > encountered problems on the live system with contact ids at the last > > minute. unfortunatly by the time we decide > > to "bend the rules" netregistry had got all theirs through in 26 seconds. > > as a result 75% of our queue was already taken. not happy jan. > > working with chris from ausregistry to find out why!??! > > later in the day the exact same contact ids went through with no > > problems. > > > > hmmmm. netregistry tell me they had a similar problem > > but they overcame it by what looks like seconds faster then we did. > > our team did the best it could given the circumstances but on the > > day netregistry came out the winner. we have learnt next time will > > be a different story. > > > > I dont believe there was either time to ask for "permission" to > > "bend/break" the rules nor where the problems encountered "to be > > expected". the contact ids are easy to rectify once the domains are registered > > so given the road block encoutered I dont think bottle had much of a > > choice as to what action to take. > > > > the real question in my mind is why the test system accepted data the live > > system didnt before 11am. > > > > > > Vic > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Adrian Kinderis" <adriank§ausregistry.com.au> > > To: <dns§lists.auda.org.au> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 1:31 PM > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Generic frenzy! > > > > > > > Anyone care to make a wager... > > > > > > Surely those who have used the system thus far have witnessed its > > > capabilities. > > > > > > We, at AusRegistry, have worked very hard to ensure that the > > > system is > > > at a "world's best" standard. Our "pre-live" testing showed the > > > system > > > to be capable of handling millions of domains, contacts and hosts. > > > We are supremely confident that we can handle anything that .au > > > can throw at us. > > > > > > We wouldn't and quite frankly, shouldn't be here if we can't > > > handle the latest generic landrush. > > > > > > While I won't go as far as saying that NOTHING will ever go wrong > > > (because it surely would as soon as I did), I know that Australia > > > has a robust, reliable and efficient Registry System. > > > > > > Let the games begin (and those with too much time on their hands > > > continue to mock...) > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Adrian Kinderis > > > MD - Sales and Marketing > > > AusRegistry Pty. Ltd. > > > Level 6, 10 Queens Rd. > > > Melbourne, Victoria. 3004 > > > P: 03 9866 3710 > > > F: 03 9866 1970 > > > E: adriank§ausregistry.com.au > > > W: www.ausregistry.com.au > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Saints Support [mailto:support§saintspc.com.au] > > > Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2002 1:02 PM > > > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Generic frenzy! > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I am just waiting to see the WHOLE of the .au go into melt down with > > > a large rush of registrations trying to happened at the same time! > > > > > > I wonder can it handle the load? > > > > > > David Uzzell > > > Technicial Sales Consultant > > > Saints PC Pty Ltd T/as Diversified Data > > > Ph 1300 36 55 70 or (02) 9533 7388 > > > Fax (02) 9533 7322 > > > www.diversified.com.au > > > > > > PGP Key ID=0xA594C38B > > > www.keyserver.net > > > > > > > > > - -----Original Message----- > > > From: dns-return-3011-support=saintspc.com.au§lists.auda.org.au > > > [mailto:dns-return-3011-support=saintspc.com.au§lists.auda.org.au] On > > > Behalf Of Blinky Bill > > > Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2002 12:51 PM > > > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Generic frenzy! > > > > > > > > > Bruce > > > > > > If I apply for a domain now at MelbourneIT I assume I > > > would be #400 in the Q. As you only accept one > > > application per domain then there is 100% chance of > > > you trying to register with auregistry. I suppose my > > > chances of securing the domain all depend on the speed > > > of the checkout chick. > > > > > > How long does it take to get approval from auregistry. > > > Also what happens if they switch on at 11:05 are you > > > running some sort of tickle. > > > > > > 400 x 500 = $200,000 - the stakes are rising. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > --- Bruce Tonkin <Bruce.Tonkin§melbourneit.com.au> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You also need to consider that there may be multiple > > > > applications > > > > received by each registrar for the same name, and it will > > > > depend on how they order > > > > their queues. So if 10 people want the same name, > > > > they each use every > > > > registrar and each registrar has a system of equal > > > > performance, you could > > > > have a 10% chance of securing the name. If you are > > > > the only one that wants > > > > the name (which you won't know in advance), then it > > > > doesn't matter whether > > > > you use one or more registrars, the probability is > > > > 100%. > > > > > > > > So basically - DO NOT guarantee that you can get the > > > > name. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Bruce ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/ Please do not retransmit articles on this list without permission of the author, further information at the above URL. (368 subscribers.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/ Please do not retransmit articles on this list without permission of the author, further information at the above URL. 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