come off the grass Josh...

Registrars are not members of, represented by or have any input into the
vast majority of the associations you have listed. For the few like the IIA
where some registrars may be members of, they would be in the tiny minority,
therefore not having any significant input into the running of the
association.

It is not possible for an organisation to represent BOTH supply and demand,
as they only put forward one person, who would represent the majority of
members, who will always be demand class members.

Its the same as our federal elections. Just because people can vote for the
labor candidate in my area, does not mean that the liberal candidate (who
will always win) somehow represents the wishes of the labor voters as well.

Bennett.





----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Rowe" <josh&#167;email.nu>
To: <dns&#167;dotau.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 10:46 PM
Subject: RE: [DNS] auDA board composition


> Bennett,
>
> The statement "All of the current members in the Representative
Association
> Class represent groups of people that are by definition users of domains,
> none of them supply domains as a business, therefore they are in fact
> exactly the same as demand class members." is not correct.
>
> All but one of the current Representative Association auDA Members can
> represent *BOTH* Demand class AND Supply class (see list below).
>
> I agree with your statement: "I do take objection when people make
> ridiculous claims that the registrars somehow have auDA in their pocket".
>
> I take objection when people make ridiculous claims that the Demand Class
> somehow has auDA in their pocket.
>
> How many Demand Class members are also suppliers?
>
> List of auDA Members
> http://www.auda.org.au/membership/members-list/
>
> AusCERT
> https://www.auscert.org.au/render.html?it=1959
> - Represents Demand *AND* Supply class
>
> Australian Retailers Association
> http://www.ara.com.au/portal/default.pl
> - Represents Demand *AND* Supply class
>
> Australian Vice-Chancellors' Committee
> http://www.avcc.edu.au/documents/news/hednews/HENews_May04.pdf
> https://www.educationau.edu.au/about/board.html
> - Represents Demand *AND* Supply class
>
> Computing Assistance Support and Education Inc (CASE)
> http://www.case.org.au/brochure.htm
> - Represents Demand *AND* Supply class
>
> Council of Australian University Directors of IT (CAUDIT)
> http://www.caudit.edu.au/caudit/information/membership.html
> - Represents Demand *AND* Supply class
>
> Electronic Frontiers Australia Inc
> http://www.efa.org.au/JoinEFA/#categories
> - Represents Demand *AND* Supply class
>
> Internet Industry Association of Australia
> http://www.iia.net.au/members.html
> - Represents Demand *AND* Supply class
>
> Internet Society of Australia (ISOC-AU)
> http://www.isoc-au.org.au/Membership/index.html#struct
> - Represents Demand *AND* Supply class
>
> Master Plumbers and Mechanical Services Association of Australia
> http://www.plumber.com.au/
> - Represents Demand class
>
> South Australian Internet Association (SAIA)
> http://www.saia.asn.au/members.php?page=mem
> - Represents Demand *AND* Supply class
>
> The Institute of Patent and Trademark Attorneys of Australia
> http://www.ipta.com.au/IPTAmem.html
> - Represents Demand *AND* Supply class
>
> The System Administrators Guild of Australia (SAGE-AU)
> http://www.sage-au.org.au/joining.html
> - Represents Demand *AND* Supply class
>
> Western Australian Internet Association (WAIA)
> http://www.waia.asn.au/about/members.shtml
> - Represents Demand *AND* Supply class
>
>
> Josh
> --
> http://josh.id.au/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bennett Oprysa
> Sent: Saturday, 2 April 2005 8:00 PM
> To: dns&#167;dotau.org
> Subject: Re: [DNS] auDA board composition
>
> Josh,
>
> Even if registrars or resellers were to create an associationa and become
> members of auDA, there is no way on earth the other members in the reps
> class would vote for us to take one if the 3 rep spots on the auDA board,
so
> that is simply not an option. All of the current members in the rep class
> represent groups of people that are by definition users of domains, none
of
> them supply domains as a business, therefore they are in fact exactly the
> same as demand class members.
>
> There can be no question whatsover that there are 6 demand class directors
> and 3 supply class directors on the auDA board. The constitution is
> specifically designed to prevent registrars/resellers from being able to
> have control of auDA. I'm not saying that's not the way it should be, but
I
> do take objection when people make ridiculous claims that the registrars
> somehow have auDA in their pocket.
>
> Bennett.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Josh Rowe" <josh&#167;email.nu>
> To: <dns&#167;dotau.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 6:53 PM
> Subject: [DNS] auDA board composition
>
>
> > Larry,
> >
> > Your suggestion that the "Representative Association" class is identical
> to
> > the "Demand" class is incorrect.
> >
> > There's nothing stopping the Retailers association standing in the Rep
> Assoc
> > class, heck a bunch of auDA Accredited Registrars could form their own
> > Association and stand.
> >
> > Democracy rules.
> >
> >
> > Josh
> > --
> > http://josh.id.au/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry Bloch
> > Sent: Friday, 1 April 2005 12:34 PM
> > To: dns&#167;dotau.org
> > Subject: RE: [DNS] Why have a policy?
> >
> > Exactly.
> >
> > Registrars in fact feel to a large degree that auDA is overly influenced
> by
> > the demand side - there are 6 board members representing the buying
public
> > and only three representing supply. Then there is Chris (lets call his
> > position neutral for now), and the Chair who does an excellent job of
> being
> > neutral to the board composition, which can mean more not on registrars
> side
> > than on in practice.
> >
> > auDA is not run by registrars. It should be - if it was, policy would be
> > objective and automatic, names would be cheaper and overall a far more
> > rational and market driven system would pertain. I think that that would
> > deliver a better result for all - including those that need protection.
> For
> > example, I think you would find registrars keen to have a DRP that was
> > affordable - its in our interests for disputes to be handled efficiently
> and
> > cheaply.
> >
> > Bring on auDA run by supply!
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Deus Ex Machina [mailto:vicc&#167;cia.com.au]
> > > Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2005 7:01
> > > To: dns&#167;dotau.org
> > > Subject: Re: [DNS] Why have a policy?
> > >
> > >
> > > hi
> > >
> > > I think you need to step back and think anytime
> > > you have a policy which requires a subjective decision
> > > you are going to get different people with different opinions
> > > about the meaning.
> > >
> > > we wish auda was driven by registrars :) if you ever attend
> > > an auda/registrar meeting you could see that it is simply not
> > > the case.
> > >
> > > our aim is to try and give customers what they want
> > > within the context of the policies and provide the best
> > > possible service we can.
> > >
> > > Vic
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill [ansearchwatch&#167;yahoo.co.uk] wrote:
> > > > Kim
> > > >
> > > > > It would be nice to get some hard data on things
> > > > > like number of
> > > > > complaints, how they are handled, methods of
> > > > > resolution etc. to make
> > > > > an informed evaluation of the current system.
> > > > > Something like a case
> > > > > database, as you can do with UDRP requests, would
> > > > > provide relevant
> > > > > history to both determine the future course of
> > > > > policy, and find relevant
> > > > > precedent on how policy is being interpreted.
> > > >
> > > > I agree some degree of transparency would indeed be
> > > > helpful. From my point of view it seems that auda is
> > > > driven by the registrars, who's main objective is to
> > > > sell as many domains as possible. It seems even they
> > > > are not sure how to interpret policy which generally
> > > > means leaning towards a sale.
> > > >
> > > > > I would say throwing out unqualified remarks like
> > > > > that only serves to undermine whatever you're
> > > > saying.
> > > >
> > > > Yes I apologise
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Send instant messages to your online friends
> > > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
> > > >
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