Let me don my non-cynical hat and put forward a scenario - take bank.au as an example, as it's been suggested as a legitimate candidate. I can think of a mere handful of bank.au domains - anz, cba, commonwealth, qld, westpac, boq, queensland, suncorp, bendigo, city, citi and so on. Then come the grey areas over which disputes would inevitably arise from each of the competing "legitimate" registrants: lending.bank.au, finance.bank.au, cheap.bank.au, friendly.bank.au, local.bank.au, regional.bank.au, credit.bank.au, community.bank.au, farmers.bank.au, your.bank.au, online.bank.au, internet.bank.au and a whole lot of others. Yeah, right. There's no consumer confusion between whichbank.com.au, which.bank.au and whichbank.au. Phisherman's Paradise. But wait ... there's more! I do newsletters for a certain bank as part of my business. I then qualify to register newsletter.bank.au, because there's already a close or substantial connection. I also resell domain names therefore I qualify for domains.bank.au. Oh - websites, too, which gives me websites.bank.au and sites.bank.au. I have an overdraft - therefore I could well qualify for borrower.bank.au and lender.bank.au because I have a savings account as well. I know my bank thinks there's a close and substantial connection there. What problems, exactly, would the additional 2LDs resolve? Move onto plumbers - you have the same competition (and potential for conflict) with multiple joes.plumbing.au as you would have with joesplumbing.com.au. Or are proponents of this idea thinking that joesplumbing.plumbing.com.au would somehow resolve the issue? Extrapolate the argument a little further, and just about any business could claim a close or substantial connection to just about any 2LD should they so desire. How then could this be policed? Managed? Controlled? Administered? What policies would need to be instituted that are different to those already in place? Would existing policies even function properly? My point is this - in my view contriving additional 2LDs would appear to replicate and exacerbate the very problems its advocates maintain it would resolve. As far as I can see, unless persuaded otherwise, the only beneficiaries would be registrars, the registry, domain monetisers and inevitably some lawyers. Ron Stark _____ From: dns-bounces+ronstark=snapsite.com.au§dotau.org [mailto:dns-bounces+ronstark=snapsite.com.au§dotau.org] On Behalf Of info§enigmaticminds.com.au Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2007 13:37 To: .au DNS Discussion List Subject: Re: [DNS] Australia registers more .au than .com domains The fewer 2LDs and the more generic they are, the more conflicts arise and the greater they become in value, leading to more untoward activities such as domain speculation and cyber-squatting. This is what has happened with .com - just look at the number of UDRP disputes and the dollar values being placed on such domains in the secondary market. Such activities diminish greatly as you move away from .com to other extensions such as .biz, .info, etc. and hardly occurs at all in the industry specific domains such as .aero, .museum, etc. While the original purpose of the DNS was to provide a static, human friendly reference point to an IP address, it has since gone well beyond this simple addressing purpose to one of branding, marketing and intellectual property. Try telling a room of marketing executives and IP lawyers that the DNS is not a directory service, they'll think your the comedian doing the warm up before the real speaker begins - of course people expect to find Microsoft at microsoft.com and CocaCola at coke.com. People have come to expect that when they type in xyz.com or xyz.com.au that it is the official website of XYZ, they don't expect it to be a .net, .org etc. The .com / .com.au extension has lost its original meaning and has taken on a generic meaning of "the official website", so much so that people even expect the official website of charities to end in a .com / .com.au not .org / .org.au. Although this started as a perception issue with the public, it has gained real substance as domain dispute decisions re-enforce the fact that .com / .com.au should be the official website. auDA inherited a flawed namespace, largely derived on the ICANN model. If auDA does not address these flaws they will become increasingly irrelevant and it will be the dispute proceedings, courtrooms and the IP lawyers who decide the eligibility and allocation of domain names. The current model is not future-proof and it will lead to an ever increasing number of conflicts and issues such as domain speculation. This needs to be addressed. We don't need thousands of 2LDs but it does make sense to introduce many more, especially for larger and more important industries such as banks, TV, radio, etc. The more 2LDs and the more specific they are the more open the namespace is, with fewer conflicts and less domain speculation. Doug Robb wrote: There has been some good follow up on this post below but as someone who has dealt with categorization of information for many years let me tell you it is not easy to develop even a mildly decent scheme when the number of categories become large and the information being organized is quite disparate - and more importantly you discover you need to put the same entity in more than one category (often this is thrust upon you because the entities activities span multiple categories). Just try and look up something a bit unusual in the yellow pages to see what I mean. So for my two cents worth you want a minimal number of 2LD's and given the problems raised already it's too late to consider direct registration of .au domain especially given the likelihood people will try and create precisely the structure below but without any hope of a coherent, consistent approach - and thus rendering the namespace a logical mess - not one thing or another. However not all is lost because even if this did happen - my final point - and it was made in the first discussion we ever had on this list is that the DNS is not a directory service. Now go to your nearest window, open it and shout to the world "The DNS is not a directory service!" The purpose of a domain name is simply to provide a static, human friendly reference point to an IP address which can be found by the DNS system. The whole notion that domain names should somehow be organized as some sort of on-line equivalent of the yellow pages has always stuck me as quite misguided. Yes we all want a catchy, easy to remember 'top of mind' name (like dare I say clarity.com.au) but this not the same as trying to organize everything around you into some sort of category based structured directory - with all the failings previously mentioned. If you think about it your domain name could be random numbers or characters and the job of finding you - and everything one would possibly want to know about you - would be much better done by a real directory service. The next Google ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.cynosure.com.au/mailman/private/dns/attachments/20070630/d584cf7c/attachment.htmReceived on Sat Jun 30 2007 - 06:52:13 UTC
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