bt for AuDA to actually investigate. AUSTRALIAN STYLE PTY LTD have not yet = demonstrated that they are NOT operating in the capacity defined above. Perhaps his Special Interest Group is designed to horde domain names for mo= netisation, instead of let's say, tennis or go-karting on weekends. Doesn't yet mean we should get out the spanking paddle. Cheers, Sean. -----Original Message----- From: dns-bounces+sean.finn=3Dozservers.com.au§dotau.org [mailto:dns-bounce= s+sean.finn=3Dozservers.com.au§dotau.org] On Behalf Of DomainNames.com.au Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 3:16 PM To: .au DNS Discussion List Subject: Re: [DNS] more great auda work, NOT maybe im wrong, i stand corrected, ofcourse "AUSTRALIAN STYLE PTY LTD " must be non profit, and Nic Mason who also seems to own a few .com.au names are all registering then in the name of charity. what was i thinking sasha Sean K. Finn wrote: > Sasha: > > The registrant is O.K. to be a commercial entity, but: > > >>> 1. To be eligible in the org.au 2LD, registrants must be: >>> a) an association incorporated in any Australian State or Territory; or >>> > > Nope, PTY LTD. > > >>> b) a political party registered with the Australian Electoral >>> Commission; or >>> > > Nope. > > >>> c) a trade union or other organisation registered under the Workplace >>> Relations Act 1996; or >>> > > Nope. > > >>> d) a sporting or special interest club operating in Australia; or >>> > > Covered. > > >>> e) a charity operating in Australia, as defined in the registrant's >>> constitution or other documents of incorporation; or >>> > > AH, HA. I missed this one. > > >>> f) a non-profit organisation operating in Australia, as defined in >>> the registrant's constitution or other documents of incorporation. >>> > > This one too. > > Now, the registrant just needs to warrant to the registrar that they are = eligible under these policies by reading and accepting the policies and ter= ms and conditions at the point of sale / request for registration. > > Perhaps they are registered for charitable purposes, and the PTY LTD's ar= e a charity. > > The registering registrar does not need to actually check the registrant = PTY LTD's constitution to determine if they are a *charity* or *non-profit*= , the registrant just needs to warrant that they are, and that they are eli= gible for the domain name. > > This now shifts to a case of the registrant making a false warranty if th= is is the case, but, without access to their incorporation documents, which= I doubt you would be able to get without a subpoena, we will never know. > > They do not need to use the domain names for charitable purposes either, = only BE a charity. > > >>> a) an exact match, abbreviation or acronym of the registrant's name; or >>> b) otherwise closely and substantially connected to the registrant. >>> > > Sorry for taking a different approach here, I don't like to stir trouble = for trouble stake, but, as these domains are on the table, let's debate it = openly and fairly from both sides. > > Cheers, > Sean. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dns-bounces+sean.finn=3Dozservers.com.au§dotau.org [mailto:dns-boun= ces+sean.finn=3Dozservers.com.au§dotau.org] On Behalf Of DomainNames.com.au > Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 1:57 PM > To: .au DNS Discussion List > Subject: Re: [DNS] more great auda work, NOT > > it may not be a registrar breach, but the registrant is a commercial > entity, so i guess it would be a breach by the registrant > > sasha > > Tony Owen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> My 2cents >> >> Unfortunately AUDU insist that you must be able to PROVE a breach, I >> don't think he can prove it, he can just surmise from the data he has >> collected. >> >> Cheers >> >> Tony >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean K. Finn" >> <Sean.Finn§ozservers.com.au> >> To: "'.au DNS Discussion List'" <dns§dotau.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [DNS] more great auda work, NOT >> >> >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> Usually I'm highly critical about things like this, and in the past >>> have been the first to jump on the AuDA-Bashing bandwagon. I >>> certainly don't agree with it, but I need to point this out : >>> >>> Auda *sets* the policy. >>> The registrars Register the domain, and *execute policy* decisions. >>> It looks like what you are really trying to say is that you think the >>> registrar in this case may have exercised poor judgement. >>> If this is what you think, you really have an obligation to ALERT >>> AuDA to what you consider a breach, and they will investigate it. >>> >>> Dont blame auda automatically for not noticing it, that is not their >>> job, it's the registrars job to get policy right. >>> >>> AuDA is the Sheriff if needed to be, but you first need to let them >>> know that you think something's amiss. >>> Read here: >>> >>> http://www.auda.org.au/contact.php >>> # >>> If you would like to lodge a formal complaint about a .au domain >>> name, please click here. >>> Complaints regarding a domain name may include: >>> * If you think the registrant is not eligible to hold their domain >>> name >>> * If the registrant has offered their domain name for sale >>> (documentary evidence required) >>> * Breaches of the domain monetisation or misspellings policies >>> # >>> http://www.auda.org.au/form-complaint-domainname.php >>> Do your duty! >>> >>> Lodge a FORMAL complaint and let them know what's going on, if, in >>> fact, a registrar is being naughty. >>> >>> >>> SCHEDULE F of Domain Name Eligibility and Allocation Policy Rules for >>> the Open 2LDs (2008-05) >>> http://www.auda.org.au/policies/auda-2008-05/ >>> >>> SCHEDULE F >>> >>> ELIGIBILITY AND ALLOCATION RULES FOR ORG.AU >>> >>> The org.au 2LD is for non-commercial organisations. >>> >>> The following rules are to be read in conjunction with the >>> Eligibility and Allocation Rules for All Open 2LDs, contained in >>> Schedule A of this document. >>> >>> 1. To be eligible in the org.au 2LD, registrants must be: >>> a) an association incorporated in any Australian State or Territory; or >>> b) a political party registered with the Australian Electoral >>> Commission; or >>> c) a trade union or other organisation registered under the Workplace >>> Relations Act 1996; or >>> d) a sporting or special interest club operating in Australia; or >>> e) a charity operating in Australia, as defined in the registrant's >>> constitution or other documents of incorporation; or >>> f) a non-profit organisation operating in Australia, as defined in >>> the registrant's constitution or other documents of incorporation. >>> >>> 2. Domain names in the org.au 2LD must be: >>> a) an exact match, abbreviation or acronym of the registrant's name; or >>> b) otherwise closely and substantially connected to the registrant. >>> >>> >>> If you have already lodged a FORMAL complaint, then: >>> >>> The registrant could possibly argue that they are a Special Interest >>> Club (CONSUMERS BUYING NETWORK PTY LTD) interested in SEX, perhaps. >>> >>> After your complaint is lodged, AuDA has to liase with the Registrar >>> and figure out what going on, and determine between themselves and >>> the registrar that the registrant qualifies for the above eligibility >>> criteria. >>> >>> If the registrar is unsure, they contact their registrant and >>> establish yay or nay, and let AuDA know the outcome. >>> >>> If AuDA are satisfied that it meets the eligibility criteria, they >>> put it to rest. I believe they are under no obligation to justify to >>> the complainant one way or another what the outcome was, but, I know >>> that it can take time, several weeks is definitely a reasonable >>> period to investigate. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> -Sean. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dns-bounces+sean.finn=3Dozservers.com.au§dotau.org >>> [mailto:dns-bounces+sean.finn=3Dozservers.com.au§dotau.org] On Behalf >>> Of Michael Purse >>> Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 10:30 AM >>> To: .au DNS Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: [DNS] more great auda work, NOT >>> >>> Of course. They don't care. >>> >>> As I've said before, the directors do fine work. The staff do not. >>> They're lazy, rooted into their positions, arrogant, and deliberately >>> ignorant. >>> >>> Hi guys! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:27 AM, DomainNames.com.au >>> <support§domainnames.com.au> wrote: >>> >>>> i thought that .org.au was for non-commercial entities and i have >>>> notified >>>> auda about this, yet just like the "Australian Style Pty Ltd" issues >>>> last >>>> month, they choose to ignore it >>>> >>>> Domain Name: *sex.org.au* >>>> Registrant: Nic Mason >>>> Registrant ID: ABN 42322725630 >>>> Eligibility Type: Sole Trader >>>> Eligibility Name: Nic Mason >>>> Eligibility ID: ABN 42322725630 >>>> >>>> Domain Name: domainnames.org.au >>>> Registrant: CONSUMERS BUYING NETWORK PTY LTD >>>> Registrant ID: ABN 47084374005 >>>> Eligibility Type: Company >>>> >>>> AND THE BEST ONE >>>> >>>> Domain Name: domain.org.au >>>> Registrant: AUSTRALIAN STYLE PTY LTD >>>> Registrant ID: ACN 099892814 >>>> Eligibility Type: Company >>>> >>>> Sasha >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- >>>> >>>> List policy, unsubscribing and archives =3D> http://dotau.org/ >>>> >>>> >>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- >>> >>> List policy, unsubscribing and archives =3D> http://dotau.org/ >>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- >>> >>> List policy, unsubscribing and archives =3D> http://dotau.org/ >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.3.0 - Release Date: 6/11/2008 >>> 12:00 AM >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- >> >> List policy, unsubscribing and archives =3D> http://dotau.org/ >> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- > List policy, unsubscribing and archives =3D> http://dotau.org/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- > List policy, unsubscribing and archives =3D> http://dotau.org/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- List policy, unsubscribing and archives =3D> http://dotau.org/Received on Mon May 19 2008 - 00:53:44 UTC
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