Haha... I meant maybe auDA should make provisons where acquired registrars transfer their domain portfolio to their *main accredidation* where they own 100% of that registrar, if they wish to disinvest that registrar/brand/whatever than provisons should be made to allow the new owner to move the portfolio of that "brand/whatever" to their own accredidation. This could also help resellers move from their current registrar to their own accredidation if they wanted too in the furture. Maybe I'm looking at it from the point of view of a domain reseller... I really don't know, but the current system seems broken... -----Original Message----- From: dns-bounces+brenden.cruikshank=spiritconnect.com.au§dotau.org [mailto:dns-bounces+brenden.cruikshank=spiritconnect.com.au§dotau.org] On Behalf Of Rod Keys Sent: 13 May 2009 10:16 AM To: .au DNS Discussion List Subject: Re: [DNS] Bottle breaches policy Brenden, You can't do that in a free market stop companies buying other companies in the same industry. I think Vic might have something to say about that. Brenden Cruikshank wrote: > The transfer of domains from Australian Style to Bottle Domains, would be something for their accountant to work out as it'd have tax implications?? This makes me feel like Australian Style dosn't like their chances of their current court case? > > As for the breach, I guess they broke the "rules", that's fairly clear and should be slapped but maybe this is a clear example of where corporate groups shouldn't be allowed to hold *muliple registrar accredidations*, even if setup on purpose or by by acquring other registrars?? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dns-bounces+brenden.cruikshank=spiritconnect.com.au§dotau.org [mailto:dns-bounces+brenden.cruikshank=spiritconnect.com.au§dotau.org] On Behalf Of Rod Keys > Sent: 12 May 2009 11:46 PM > To: .au DNS Discussion List > Subject: Re: [DNS] Bottle breaches policy > > The transfers were from EG ACN 111.111.222.111 to 222.111.222.333 both > legal entities. You can't do that. > > > Larry Bloch wrote: >> If a customer enters an agreement with a corporate entity that allows that >> entity to assign the benefit of the agreement to another entity, then there >> s no issue if it does so. Presumably Bottle had such agreements or they >> wouldn't/shouldn't have done the assignment. Assumning they did have that >> right in their contract with the registrants, this transfer may not breach >> auDA policy, which applies to transfers from one registrar to another >> initiated by a reseller or a registrant. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Larry Bloch | CEO | Online Growth Solutions Ltd >> >> Netregistry | PlanetDomain | NETT Magazine | Hostess >> >> Direct: 02 9641 8636 >> Mobile: 0411 545 118 >> Personal Fax: 02 80790741 >> Email: larry.bloch§netregistry.com.au >> >> >> T +61 2 9699 6099 | F +61 2 9699 6088| http://www.netregistry.com.au >> PO Box 270 Broadway, NSW 2007, Australia >> >> Domain Names | Email Solutions | Web Hosting | Dedicated Hosting | eCommerce >> | Online Marketing >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dns-bounces+larry.bloch=netregistry.com.au§dotau.org >> [mailto:dns-bounces+larry.bloch=netregistry.com.au§dotau.org] On Behalf Of >> Ron Stark >> Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 6:21 PM >> To: '.au DNS Discussion List' >> Subject: Re: [DNS] Bottle breaches policy >> >> I suspect it's rather more than simply transferring domain names. >> >> There is also the issue of transferring significant assets from one >> corporate entiry to another, without clients' permission. Can the >> registrant trust the new entity? Does it have substance? Does it have a >> track record? Or is it a manoevre to pre-emptiveley transfer assets? >> >> Given the litigation in progress I must admit that I'd be rather skeptical >> of Bottle's motives. >> >> Larry, I'm disquieted by your apparent support of what appears to be a >> blatant breach of contract. Do you allow your own customers to get away >> with it, if they happen to disagree with your rules? >> >> Ron Stark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dns-bounces+ronstark=snapsite.com.au§dotau.org >> [mailto:dns-bounces+ronstark=snapsite.com.au§dotau.org] On Behalf Of Larry >> Bloch >> Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 17:34 >> To: '.au DNS Discussion List' >> Subject: Re: [DNS] Bottle breaches policy >> >> Seriously, a transfer breach is a transfer breach - when we do it we all >> have to cop it. But if registrars think that they can rub their hands in >> glee over Bottle's de-accreditation by auDA, you should remember that it >> could be your business next. >> >> I'm on Bottle's side on this because it is bullying tactics, its arbitrary, >> and it could be any one of us next. I'm not standing up for the rights of >> downtrodden registrars, I'm standing for the right of my business to not be >> threatened by de-accreditation (and ensuing oblivion) over a matter that >> doesn't warrant it. I'm pretty bemused as to why I'm the only one. Surely >> you don't want a regulator that destroys businesses and employment with >> little notice for questionable reasons just because it can. >> >> If auDA is unaccountable, it will do as it pleases regardless of the >> consequence - because there will be no consequence. >> >> Regards, >> >> Larry Bloch | CEO | Online Growth Solutions Ltd >> >> Netregistry | PlanetDomain | NETT Magazine | Hostess >> >> Direct: 02 9641 8636 >> Mobile: 0411 545 118 >> Personal Fax: 02 80790741 >> Email: larry.bloch§netregistry.com.au >> >> >> T +61 2 9699 6099 | F +61 2 9699 6088| http://www.netregistry.com.au >> PO Box 270 Broadway, NSW 2007, Australia >> >> Domain Names | Email Solutions | Web Hosting | Dedicated Hosting | eCommerce >> | Online Marketing >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dns-bounces+larry.bloch=netregistry.com.au§dotau.org >> [mailto:dns-bounces+larry.bloch=netregistry.com.au§dotau.org] On Behalf Of >> Rod Keys >> Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 3:42 PM >> To: .au DNS Discussion List >> Subject: [DNS] Bottle breaches policy >> >> FYI >> >> http://www.auda.org.au/news-archive/auda-12052009/ >> >> Now we just have to sit back and watch Larry Blocks publicity machine do >> it's thing to stand up for the rights of downtrodden registrars. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://dotau.org/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://dotau.org/ >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://dotau.org/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://dotau.org/ >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://dotau.org/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://dotau.org/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://dotau.org/Received on Tue May 12 2009 - 17:27:22 UTC
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