In all due respect Larry, if you read the attached emails in sequence on a bright day you may note the original piece of correspondence was *not* addressed to you, was *not* directed at you, and was *not* for the attention of you. It was addressed and for the attention of Mr Chris Disspain. This list is not about *you* and you alone. It is a forum for discussion, ideas and concerns relative to the industry for the benefit of the Australian Community and the Industry in general. You demand attention when others are in discussion? You demand answers to questions not directed at you? There are others on this list and conversations believe it or not, *do* take place without you. If correspondence is addressed to a person other than you it's quite ridiculous that you feel you have the right to interject. Lighten up. There are many people in this world you are "one" of them. Cheers, Peter Ostenberg. Original message from: larry§netregistry.au.com > >Peter > >I'm sorry you took offence - I did take pains to try and avoid that. > >I wasn't trying to represent auDA - I am a member - nothing more. Rather, I >suppose I am interested in who is interested in this space. > >I was not challenging the validity of your questions - with that I have no >issue. But question asking is seldom motiveless and as a democratic >principle, I think it fair that one has the right to know the identity of a >question asker before being beholden to answer. That's what I was driving at >in the quoted comment below. > >Its a bit like journalists telling politicians their name and publication >before asking their questions. An answer requires tailoring to the audience, >if it is to be accurate to the information being sought. This is who I am; >this is what I would like to know. > >I do respect your privacy; you chose not to answer my questions - fair >enough - we can leave it at that. > >Larry > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Peter Ostenberg [mailto:peterost§start.com.au] >Sent: Monday, 20 August 2001 19:25 >To: dns§auda.org.au >Subject: Fw: [DNS] ING charging $250 non-refundable for .BIZ and .INFO > > >My apologies Larry. I'm a member of the Australian community with a >general interest in these issues. Obviously not a Rocket Scientist. > >As far as I am aware you do not represent auDA and therefore i'm not >quite sure where you were coming from with this comment: "what >expectation can you have that auDA (or anyone) should answer your >questions?" > >Do you in fact represent auDA? > >All queries I've put forward to auDA have been responded to minus >attitude, and I would like to thank Mr Chris Disspain for his time and >courtesy and the timely manner in which he has corresponded. > >Regards, > >Peter Ostenberg. (not a Rocket Scientist, nor do you need to be one >: ) > > > > >Original message from: larry§netregistry.au.com >> >>Peter, >> >>I have asked you the following questions off-line an received no >response. >>Since you continue to be active on this matter, I am interested to >know: >> >>1. Who are you? Apart from your free email address and your name, you >do not >>identify your role or reason for participation on this list. >>2. Are you a member of auDA? >>3. Are you based in Australia? >>4. Do you own an Australia domain name? >> >>Using a free email address is certainly no crime, nor is failing to >provide >>information about yourself in a signature. Nonetheless, you clearly >expect >>answers to your leading questions, and I think it appropriate to >disclose to >>this list the sort of information above. If you aren't prepared to do >so, >>what expectation can you have that auDA (or anyone) should answer >your >>questions? >> >>I hope you don't take offence, I am simply interested to know why you >are so >>interested in this topic and why you seem to assume that there are >problems >>with the arrangements between auDA and NetRegistry. >> >>Lastly, why should the hosting party not access AUNIC data - >everybody else >>does through the AUNIC website and the AUNIC whois service. Surely >the >>hosting party shouldn't be penalised for hosting AUNIC. After all, >its a >>public service. >> >>Regards >> >>Larry Bloch >>Chief Executive Officer >>____________________________________________ >>NetRegistry http://www.netregistry.au.com >>Tel: +61 2 9699 6099 | Fax: +61 2 9699 6088 >>PO Box 270 Broadway NSW 2007 Australia >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Peter Ostenberg [mailto:peterost§start.com.au] >>Sent: Monday, 20 August 2001 15:17 >>To: dns§auda.org.au >>Subject: Fw: [DNS] ING charging $250 non-refundable for .BIZ and >..INFO >> >> >> >>Chris, >> >>Thankyou for your response. >> >>In respect of point two. Was it not indicated by auDA to the industry >>that restrictions *were* put in place so that it was *not* >technically >>possible for the hosting party to access AUNIC data? >> >>I may be wrong. Kindly advise. >> >>Regards, >> >>Peter Ostenberg. >> >> >> >> >>Original message from: "Chris Disspain" <ceo§auda.org.au> >>> >>>Peter, >>> >>>Jo Lim has responded to your first point re privacy. Regarding your >>other >>>questions: >>> >>>2. Whilst it may be technically possible, to do so would be a >>material >>>breach of the agreement under which they are providing the hosting >>services. >>> >>>3. Yes. And the tenders were evaluated independently and not by >auDA. >>> >>>4. My preliminary checks indicate that NetRegistry's explanation is >>correct. >>>However, at present, Josh has raised an issue, Larry has responded >>and Josh >>>has now asked for further clarification. I assume that Larry will be >>>responding to that as soon as possible. Then, if Josh wishes to >>pursue the >>>matter further or is not satisfied with the explanation, no doubt he >>will >>>contact me. >>> >>>Regards >>> >>>Chris Disspain >>>CEO - auDA >>>ceo§auda.org.au >>>+61-3-9226-9495 >>>www.auda.org.au >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Peter Ostenberg [mailto:peterost§start.com.au] >>>Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2001 17:07 >>>To: dns§auda.org.au >>>Subject: Fw: [DNS] ING charging $250 non-refundable for .BIZ and >>..INFO >>> >>> >>>Chris Disspain, CEO, auDA, >>> >>> >>>In light of recent list discussions in relation to information held >>on >>>the AUNIC database hosted for auDA by the commercial entity >>>NetRegistry Pty Ltd, may I refer to the following reference: >>> >>>INFORMATION PRIVACY ACT 2000 >>>"PART 11A--INFORMATION PRIVACY ACT 2000 SCHEDULE 1 >>>THE INFORMATION PRIVACY PRINCIPLES >>>4. Principle 4--Data Security >>>4.1 An organisation must take reasonable steps to protect the >>personal >>>information it holds from misuse and loss and from unauthorised >>>access, modification or disclosure. >>> >>>Clarification is required by community members and sought from you >as >>>CEO of auDA with respect to the following: >>> >>>1. Kindly advise the specific reasonable steps auDA have taken to >>>comply with the Information Privacy Act 2000 in protecting data held >>>on the AUIC database from misuse, loss, or unauthorised access. >>> >>>2. In their capacity as host is it possible that NetRegistry have >>>access to bulk current consumer details residing on the AUNIC data >>>base over and above that which is publically available via >interfaces >>>such as whois and aunicstatus ? >>> >>>3. As registrant and registrar of au.com was any possible conflict >of >>>interest investigated prior to acceptance by auDA of the AUNIC >>hosting >>>tender put forward by the commercial entity NetRegistry Pty Ltd? >>> >>>Furthermore, regarding your investigation following Josh Rowe's >>>correspondence dated 16th August 2001, has such an investigation >>>reached completion? and is there a time frame as to when publication >>>of the resultant outcome may be expected? Did NetRegistry obtain >>AUNIC >>>data in an improper manner and use it for advertising purposes >>>including, but not limited to, unsolicited emails? In fairness to >>>NetRegistry and all .au registrants one would expect this issue to >be >>>clarified and documented by auDA as soon as practicable. >>> >>>A point of reference: >>>"Key Objectives of auDA Interim Board Version 1.1" >>>Preamble of the au Domain Administration >>>Taking the view that the Internet Domain Name System is a public >>>asset, and that the .au ccTLD is under the sovereign control of the >>>Commonwealth of Australia, auDA will administer the .au ccTLD for >the >>>benefit of the Australian community. >>> >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>Peter Ostenberg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________________________ >>>Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au >>> >>>-- >>>This article is not to be reproduced or quoted beyond this forum >>without >>>express permission of the author. 353 subscribers. >>>Archived at http://listmaster.iinet.net.au/list/dns (user: dns, >pass: >>dns) >>>Email "unsubscribe" to dns-request§auda.org.au to be removed. >>> >>> >>>-- >>>This article is not to be reproduced or quoted beyond this forum >>without >>>express permission of the author. 351 subscribers. >>>Archived at http://listmaster.iinet.net.au/list/dns (user: dns, >pass: >>dns) >>>Email "unsubscribe" to dns-request§auda.org.au to be removed. >>> >>>. >>> >> >> >>__________________________________________________________________ >>Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au >> >>-- >>This article is not to be reproduced or quoted beyond this forum >without >>express permission of the author. 351 subscribers. >>Archived at http://listmaster.iinet.net.au/list/dns (user: dns, pass: >dns) >>Email "unsubscribe" to dns-request§auda.org.au to be removed. >> >> >>-- >>This article is not to be reproduced or quoted beyond this forum >without >>express permission of the author. 351 subscribers. >>Archived at http://listmaster.iinet.net.au/list/dns (user: dns, pass: >dns) >>Email "unsubscribe" to dns-request§auda.org.au to be removed. >> >>. >> > > >__________________________________________________________________ >Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au > >-- >This article is not to be reproduced or quoted beyond this forum without >express permission of the author. 350 subscribers. >Archived at http://listmaster.iinet.net.au/list/dns (user: dns, pass: dns) >Email "unsubscribe" to dns-request§auda.org.au to be removed. > > >-- >This article is not to be reproduced or quoted beyond this forum without >express permission of the author. 352 subscribers. >Archived at http://listmaster.iinet.net.au/list/dns (user: dns, pass: dns) >Email "unsubscribe" to dns-request§auda.org.au to be removed. > >. > __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au -- This article is not to be reproduced or quoted beyond this forum without express permission of the author. 351 subscribers. 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