Maybe its time to move on.




Peter Ostenberg wrote:

> In all due respect Larry, if you read the attached emails in sequence
> on a bright day you may note the original piece of correspondence was
> *not* addressed to you, was *not* directed at you, and was *not* for
> the attention of you. It was addressed and for the attention of Mr
> Chris Disspain.
>
> This list is not about *you* and you alone. It is a forum for
> discussion, ideas and concerns relative to the industry for the
> benefit of the Australian Community and the Industry in general.
>
> You demand attention when others are in discussion? You demand answers
> to questions not directed at you? There are others on this list and
> conversations believe it or not, *do* take place without you. If
> correspondence is addressed to a person other than you it's quite
> ridiculous that you feel you have the right to interject.
>
> Lighten up. There are many people in this world you are "one" of them.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter Ostenberg.
>
> Original message from: larry§netregistry.au.com
> >
> >Peter
> >
> >I'm sorry you took offence - I did take pains to try and avoid that.
> >
> >I wasn't trying to represent auDA - I am a member - nothing more.
> Rather, I
> >suppose I am interested in who is interested in this space.
> >
> >I was not challenging the validity of your questions - with that I
> have no
> >issue. But question asking is seldom motiveless and as a democratic
> >principle, I think it fair that one has the right to know the
> identity of a
> >question asker before being beholden to answer. That's what I was
> driving at
> >in the quoted comment below.
> >
> >Its a bit like journalists telling politicians their name and
> publication
> >before asking their questions. An answer requires tailoring to the
> audience,
> >if it is to be accurate to the information being sought. This is who
> I am;
> >this is what I would like to know.
> >
> >I do respect your privacy; you chose not to answer my questions -
> fair
> >enough - we can leave it at that.
> >
> >Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Peter Ostenberg [mailto:peterost§start.com.au]
> >Sent: Monday, 20 August 2001 19:25
> >To: dns§auda.org.au
> >Subject: Fw: [DNS] ING charging $250 non-refundable for .BIZ and
> .INFO
> >
> >
> >My apologies Larry. I'm a member of the Australian community with a
> >general interest in these issues. Obviously not a Rocket Scientist.
> >
> >As far as I am aware you do not represent auDA and therefore i'm not
> >quite sure where you were coming from with this comment:  "what
> >expectation can you have that auDA (or anyone) should answer your
> >questions?"
> >
> >Do you in fact represent auDA?
> >
> >All queries I've put forward to auDA have been responded to minus
> >attitude, and I would like to thank Mr Chris Disspain for his time
> and
> >courtesy and the timely manner in which he has corresponded.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Peter Ostenberg.  (not a Rocket Scientist,  nor do you need to be one
> >: )
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Original message from: larry§netregistry.au.com
> >>
> >>Peter,
> >>
> >>I have asked you the following questions off-line an received no
> >response.
> >>Since you continue to be active on this matter, I am interested to
> >know:
> >>
> >>1. Who are you? Apart from your free email address and your name,
> you
> >do not
> >>identify your role or reason for participation on this list.
> >>2. Are you a member of auDA?
> >>3. Are you based in Australia?
> >>4. Do you own an Australia domain name?
> >>
> >>Using a free email address is certainly no crime, nor is failing to
> >provide
> >>information about yourself in a signature. Nonetheless, you clearly
> >expect
> >>answers to your leading questions, and I think it appropriate to
> >disclose to
> >>this list the sort of information above. If you aren't prepared to
> do
> >so,
> >>what expectation can you have that auDA (or anyone) should answer
> >your
> >>questions?
> >>
> >>I hope you don't take offence, I am simply interested to know why
> you
> >are so
> >>interested in this topic and why you seem to assume that there are
> >problems
> >>with the arrangements between auDA and NetRegistry.
> >>
> >>Lastly, why should the hosting party not access AUNIC data -
> >everybody else
> >>does through the AUNIC website and the AUNIC whois service. Surely
> >the
> >>hosting party shouldn't be penalised for hosting AUNIC. After all,
> >its a
> >>public service.
> >>
> >>Regards
> >>
> >>Larry Bloch
> >>Chief Executive Officer
> >>____________________________________________
> >>NetRegistry     http://www.netregistry.au.com
> >>Tel: +61 2 9699 6099 | Fax: +61 2 9699 6088
> >>PO Box 270 Broadway NSW   2007 Australia
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Peter Ostenberg [mailto:peterost§start.com.au]
> >>Sent: Monday, 20 August 2001 15:17
> >>To: dns§auda.org.au
> >>Subject: Fw: [DNS] ING charging $250 non-refundable for .BIZ and
> >..INFO
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Chris,
> >>
> >>Thankyou for your response.
> >>
> >>In respect of point two. Was it not indicated by auDA to the
> industry
> >>that restrictions *were* put in place so that it was *not*
> >technically
> >>possible for the hosting party to access AUNIC data?
> >>
> >>I may be wrong. Kindly advise.
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>
> >>Peter Ostenberg.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Original message from: "Chris Disspain" <ceo&#167;auda.org.au>
> >>>
> >>>Peter,
> >>>
> >>>Jo Lim has responded to your first point re privacy. Regarding your
> >>other
> >>>questions:
> >>>
> >>>2. Whilst it may be technically possible, to do so would be a
> >>material
> >>>breach of the agreement under which they are providing the hosting
> >>services.
> >>>
> >>>3. Yes. And the tenders were evaluated independently and not by
> >auDA.
> >>>
> >>>4. My preliminary checks indicate that NetRegistry's explanation is
> >>correct.
> >>>However, at present, Josh has raised an issue, Larry has responded
> >>and Josh
> >>>has now asked for further clarification. I assume that Larry will
> be
> >>>responding to that as soon as possible. Then, if Josh wishes to
> >>pursue the
> >>>matter further or is not satisfied with the explanation, no doubt
> he
> >>will
> >>>contact me.
> >>>
> >>>Regards
> >>>
> >>>Chris Disspain
> >>>CEO - auDA
> >>>ceo&#167;auda.org.au
> >>>+61-3-9226-9495
> >>>www.auda.org.au
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: Peter Ostenberg [mailto:peterost&#167;start.com.au]
> >>>Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2001 17:07
> >>>To: dns&#167;auda.org.au
> >>>Subject: Fw: [DNS] ING charging $250 non-refundable for .BIZ and
> >>..INFO
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Chris Disspain, CEO, auDA,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>In light of recent list discussions in relation to information held
> >>on
> >>>the AUNIC database hosted for auDA by the commercial entity
> >>>NetRegistry Pty Ltd, may I refer to the following reference:
> >>>
> >>>INFORMATION PRIVACY ACT 2000
> >>>"PART 11A--INFORMATION PRIVACY ACT 2000 SCHEDULE 1
> >>>THE INFORMATION PRIVACY PRINCIPLES
> >>>4. Principle 4--Data Security
> >>>4.1 An organisation must take reasonable steps to protect the
> >>personal
> >>>information it holds from misuse and loss and from unauthorised
> >>>access, modification or disclosure.
> >>>
> >>>Clarification is required by community members and sought from you
> >as
> >>>CEO of auDA with respect to the following:
> >>>
> >>>1. Kindly advise the specific reasonable steps auDA have taken to
> >>>comply with the Information Privacy Act 2000 in protecting data
> held
> >>>on the AUIC database from misuse, loss, or unauthorised access.
> >>>
> >>>2. In their capacity as host is it possible that NetRegistry have
> >>>access to bulk current consumer details residing on the AUNIC data
> >>>base over and above that which is publically available via
> >interfaces
> >>>such as whois and aunicstatus ?
> >>>
> >>>3. As registrant and registrar of au.com was any possible conflict
> >of
> >>>interest investigated prior to acceptance by auDA of the AUNIC
> >>hosting
> >>>tender put forward by the commercial entity NetRegistry Pty Ltd?
> >>>
> >>>Furthermore, regarding your investigation following Josh Rowe's
> >>>correspondence dated 16th August 2001, has such an investigation
> >>>reached completion? and is there a time frame as to when
> publication
> >>>of the resultant outcome may be expected? Did NetRegistry obtain
> >>AUNIC
> >>>data in an improper manner and use it for advertising purposes
> >>>including, but not limited to, unsolicited emails? In fairness to
> >>>NetRegistry and all .au registrants one would expect this issue to
> >be
> >>>clarified and documented by auDA as soon as practicable.
> >>>
> >>>A point of reference:
> >>>"Key Objectives of auDA Interim Board Version 1.1"
> >>>Preamble of the au Domain Administration
> >>>Taking the view that the Internet Domain Name System is a public
> >>>asset, and that the .au ccTLD is under the sovereign control of the
> >>>Commonwealth of Australia, auDA will administer the .au ccTLD for
> >the
> >>>benefit of the Australian community.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Cheers,
> >>>
> >>>Peter Ostenberg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
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