Hi guys,
actually, you might have missed the point of all this...

there is not a problem in the registrant knowing which registrar the resller
is using to process the registration.  the problem arises when the registrar
knowingly directly targets the registrant to offer/sell services direct to
the registrant that would otherwise have been sold by the reseller.  that is
the crux of this issue.   it is about the channel - and the role of the
reseller.

it may be good for you to present this as a storm in a teacup,   but for
resellers it is  about getting assurances that such direct targetting will
not happen.

the registrars say that they can't give such assurances - as they say that
auDA policy requires that the registrars have direct communication with the
registrant.  I (and others) are saying that this communication could be done
by the reseller, possibly acting as an agent of the registrar.

cheers
Richard


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Lawrence" <jon&#167;jonlawrence.com>
To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>; <dns§lists.auda.org.au>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:08 PM
Subject: RE: [DNS] Enetica


Hi Karl

I don't think you're missing anything.  Many of the recent posters to this
list however seem to have difficulty understanding the situation that you
have outlined in this paragraph:

>As long as registrants are informed about the registrar that was used on
>their behalf (so that they could in theory act independently of the
reseller),
>there doesn't seem to me to be a problem. There is a direct association
between
>the registrar and the registrant, but the reseller manages that
association.

regards
jon

>-- Original Message --
>Reply-To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:55:35 +0200
>From: "Auer, Karl James" <karl.auer&#167;id.ethz.ch>
>To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
>Subject: RE: [DNS] Enetica
>
>
>> the fact that resellers have no status with auDA and cannot be
>> legally acting on behalf of a registrant.
>
>This doesn't make any sense to me. I can enter a contract with anyone I
like
>and authorise that person to act on my behalf in any matter I choose. There
>are some exceptions (I can't marry by proxy) and some responsibilities
can't
>be delegated (I can't delegate my responsibilities as director of a
company).
>I can also authorise my agents to use their own judgement in the matter
at
>hand, or limit that exercise of judgement in whatever ways I choose.
>
>When I read the "change of registrar of record" policy (transfers), it
explicitly
>refers to resellers acting on behalf of registrants (see sections 4.2 and
>7, for example). Section 7 even talks about bulk transfers by resellers
from
>one registrar to another.
>
>As long as registrants are informed about the registrar that was used on
>their behalf (so that they could in theory act independently of the
reseller),
>there doesn't seem to me to be a problem. There is a direct association
between
>the registrar and the registrant, but the reseller manages that
association.
>
>What am I missing? It all seems a storm in a teacup...
>
>Regards, K.
>
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